CoOp Mini-Meeting Minutes

Hi All!

Peggy, Frank, Wendy and I all got together on Monday with the idea of reintroducing Esmeralda to the flock. Turned out not to be the best day weather-wise, so we instead had a brief discussion regarding CoOp policies. We all recognize that the CoOp members have varying levels of availability throughout the year and have limits to resources (time, money, expertise, etc) that they can contribute. With that in mind, we came up with a short list of the minimum requirements that we feel necessary for participation. They are as follows:

1. Weekly involvement of some kind. This can be anything from gathering eggs or giving the girls some "treats" (bread, table scraps, etc), to simply checking feed and water levels. This will serve not only to lighten the load on Peggy and Jeanne (albeit very slightly), but will also help CoOp members stay "in touch" with all the happenings and needs.
2. Coop Cleaning. All members will be expected to clean the coop twice a month. This is becoming more critical as the girls spend increased amounts of time indoors in the cold weather. There is a fair bit of flexibility available in scheduling this to allow for CoOp member's existing obligations.
3. Financial Contributions. At this point we are generating enough income through egg sales to cover the cost of feed. There are additional expenses in the form of bedding etc that will need to be covered, and there will be ongoing expenses for maintenance and improvements to the coop and pens. CoOp members will be expected to contribute to these costs either by cash out-of-pocket or by selling a portion of their share of the eggs.

In exchange for the items listed above, CoOp members will be entitled to receive two dozen eggs per week (assuming egg production stays at current levels or increases) which they can either consume or sell to help with the operating costs. Any surplus eggs will be sold and the money used for the CoOp.

 

These are the ideas that we came up with that seemed fair and we are hoping for input from the rest of the CoOp members. If anyone feels that these expectations are not reasonable, please let us know your thoughts and what you feel is fair. If you feel that you are unable or unwilling to participate any longer, please don't just walk away without letting us know why and if you feel that you have to date gotten as much out of the CoOp as you put in to it.

 

Again, I would encourage everyone to take a moment to think about why they became involved in the CoOp in the first place. If you add up the hours and expense of this venture it makes very little financial sense compared to simply purchasing eggs from another source. But as far as I'm concerned, finances aren't the point. I personally wanted to be involved for humane and environmental reasons. I like the idea that my eggs are coming from animals that are well cared for and are allowed to live in a somewhat more "natural" fashion. I also like the idea that the eggs go "from the bird to my table" instead of being loaded into a styrofoam container, packed onto a diesel truck, transported to a warehouse, loaded onto yet another truck then driven miles and miles to a store where they will sit in an inefficient, open cooler. It's also reassuring to know the the chickens that produced the eggs aren't loaded with hormones or other drugs. There is also much to be said for the community-building aspect of a CoOp as well.

 

Thanks,

Matt

Chicken Co-op News

There are always new things to learn here. Today was one of those days. A beautiful sunny day, so we decided it was time to try putting Esmeralda back with the flock. We thought we would sneak her in while the rest were out playing in the compost bins and gobbling up the bread and scratch we threw out. They might not have noticed her, except that we put the Vicks on her would first. It had worked when we had a baby chick that was being pecked. They left her alone. It is not clear that it is a good idea with adult birds. It seemed to be going well. A few pecked at her but were turned away. Wendy and Matt and I were there to protect her if need be. Seemed to be going well. she went in and out of the coop with the rest, flew to the compost bin, blended in. We spent a little time getting one of the barred rocks off the pen top. she had flown up there but seemed to have no clue that she couldn't just go through the holes to get back into the pen where the bread was. Wendy literally shoveled her off finally. After Matt and Wendy left, I hung around to watch things. Esmeralda went under the ramp and proceeded to bury herself in the dirt. It looked like she was trying to rub off the Vicks with a dirt bath. However, a few of the other hens came at her in an unfriendly way while she was in the hole she had cleared. I sent one packing a few times, but it persisted. It seemed that she stuck out with the Vicks on and they didn't like it. She seemed to sense it needed to come off too. Since I also had to leave and could not be around this evening, I decided to put her back in the garage. She seemed almost relieved when I picked her up. So perhaps next time we should try it without the Vicks, to see if that turned out to be what bothered them. In every other way she looks and behaves just like the other Araucanas.

The other lesson is that we have to remember to re-set the timer when we have had a power outage. Yesterday the power was out for over two hours, so when I came home tonight at 9 the girls were still up playing because the light had not gone off yet. Always something new here.

 20 more eggs today. We need to let the friends know they need to call one of us when they want eggs, and we can telll them if they are available, so Jeanne and I don't have to spend alot of time on the phone contacting the many people who are interested in buying the extras.Then if it is your friend or contact you can deliver them or we can tell them how to find them. We don't want to be bothering people when they don't have a need, but I think we may be missing some friends who want eggs but are waiting for a call or a delivery. I'm not too anxious to get into the delivery business, but am willing to take them places if I am going to be near some of our customers anyway. For example, we work at BACN usually two days a week and can take some there to a few people who are on our list. I know some of the rest of you do the same with eggs you are selling. As long as production stays at this level, and coop members are either out of town or just not needing many eggs right now, we do have quite a few to sell. Let me know if you want me to take the extras to BACN. I think they will buy them from us for $2 a dozen, but I have not asked specifically yet. I wouldn't want to charge them any more than that. What do you think? I can also take some to several events on New Year's Eve day.

For the flock, Peggy

Religious freedom among chickens

The girls seem to have changed their minds (?) on when to take their sabbath. Every Sunday for the last month they have reduced their output to exactly 17, from the usual 20-21 a day. Not this week. They chose Saturday this week, putting out only 15, and today, Sunday they were up to 20 again. Have they switched to the Jewish sabbath? Are they responding to the approach of the full moon, which is a blue moon? Who knows. Esmeralda chose to lay her egg today in the very back of her box, where I finally looked near dark. I was wishing I were much younger as I wrestled it out of the box without falling on the poop she leaves on top of the box (her roost). The egg today is almost white, little blue in it. Did she give the blue to the moon? Neither of the other two Araucanas laid at all today. Clearly there has been a cosmic shift of some sort. Can't wait until tomorrow.

I think it is time to return Esmeralda to the flock. Since I have lots of time tomorrow and most of the next few days to watch things, and Wendy and Matt can be around also, as well as Frank, I think we can keep an eye on them to see what they do with her. We will need to send her in with some Vicks on her wound. Hopefully it will deter Pete as well as the pecking hens while she finds her place in the order of things again. The wound is right where Pete lands when he is jumping on the hens and doing his rooster thing, which has been the concern as far as returning her. She seems quite healthy and otherwise could have gone back some time ago.

The timer system in the coop seems to be working well. With the lamp going on over the water at 3 AM, the water is not freezing and the hens get a good start on laying. It means there are quite a few already by the time we get out there to let them out. I let them out of the pen for awhile today, but they got bored quickly. The good compost is now in a closed bin for the winter. So they returned to the pen on their own for some scratch, with no argument.

Peggy for the recovery room staff

Chicken Co-op News

Winter settles in at the coop. The temperature outside this morning was 5 degrees, inside the coop it was about 18. Needless to say the water was frozen again. Even with the heat light on it, we usually have to thaw it out a bit in the morning. Sometimes the water can has to come inside for a shot of hot water. Esmeralda's water is also usually frozen. The chickens are still anxious to get out of the coop and explore the small amount of ground they have under the porch roof, no matter how cold it is. We now have a timer on the heat light in the coop, which seems to be regulating their egg production somewhat. The light goes on at 5 PM, off at 8 PM, back on at 3 AM and off at 8 AM. By the time we get there in the morning to let them out, they have laid between 12 and 16 eggs already. Then they drop the rest throughout the day. Esmeralda lays her pretty blue egg every day in the afternoon. It takes some gymnastic skill to get into her hotel room to get the egg without falling into the temporary pen. Her wound is healing very well. Today she made a point of showing it to me. She turned that side to me, ruffled up her feathers and lifted her wing out of the way, so I got a good view. You can hardly see it now, and she may be ready to go back. She is putting on weight with all the private food and is quite perky. There is another Araucana who is losing lots of feathers on her tail end and showing too much bare skin for this weather. Not clear whether the others are picking her feathers off, or she is, or she is molting. Bad timing if it is the latter. She does not have a wound yet, but she may have to join Esmeralda in the garage for re-hab. We are keeping an eye on her.

There is definitely more attention needed to them in the winter if we are going to keep up the egg production and prevent boredom. We are still getting between 18 - 21 eggs a day, usually 20. The interesting thing is that every Sunday for the last month we have only gotten exactly 17. It's the only day we get that few. So we have 7 hens who think Sunday is a day of rest, which it used to be when I was young. Not a bad idea really. A day to pause from the frantic life we all seem to lead and just hang on to our eggs for a moment.

We are engaged in a self-examination process right now as a co-op. After the long summer of building coop and pens, feeding and nurturing them all and waiting for the eggs to start, and after two months of production, we are feeling a need to look at our various roles and needs, to determine a fair way to share the work and distribute the eggs. We are looking to make sure no one feels there is too much of an unequal level of participation in the daily work, or an unequal distribution of the products. We are also trying to make sure that feed and other things get paid for in a shared way. Selling extra eggs has been one way to try to cover expenses, but we are finding that a few people are putting up the money for the other little things we need, like timers, light bulbs, straw, grit, etc. Almost all of the initial expenses for the coop itself and the feed and supplies for the first five months were covered by Jeanne and Peg, with some help from Matt. Now it seems that the co-op part of the thing needs to function in the daily work as it did in the building phase, so we are trying to sort that out internally. We would welcome any advice from any others who have tried a co-op approach. How much work should members expect to do to support the operation? What is the best way to make sure we have the money to pay our way in the future? How do we determine how many eggs each family should get? Does it relate to what they put into it? Is there another way to decide? These are the questions we raise now and try to answer. For the moment there are enough eggs for each family to take two dozen a week and if they want to sell what they don't need they are putting the money into the egg jar and we are using it for food. Plus we have a few more dozen to sell as well, so we are currently breaking even on supplies, almost. We want to know how to operate when production goes down, which we assume will happen sometime. Since this is new for us, we expect it will take some time to work it all out so everyone feels good and the girls stay happy. Pete is still with us because no one has felt strongly enough about his removal to find a place for him to live or a pot for him to end in. He is mostly behaving himself, so he hasn't convinced me to end my ambivalence.

Jeanne is in Florida for five weeks, so it has been really good that Matt and Wendy show up every morning to help with chores and then return several times during the day. All visits are welcome. We have to collect eggs several times a day to keep them from freezing. Also we take bread and scratch to the girls several times to keep their energy levels up and keep them amused in their confinement. Once the sun gets around to the south I let them out of the pen. They like to sun themselves on the coop steps or perch on the compost bins to sun. Wonder how they will relate to the pending ice storm?

from Peggy

Chicken Co-op News

Yesterday the white hen, whose name is....(Sonia and Nadia just told me what it is last night, and it is already gone from the frontal neurons, begins with an E) went berzerk for about half an hour. She was pacing frantically back and forth under the roosts, hopping up and down on them, pecking at the sun-covered wall, pecking at the hens who were in the nest boxes. Really manic behavior. Wendy was there at the time also, and we could not figure out what was wrong with her. I let all the rest of them out of the gate and gave them some space to get away from her. They went right to the compost bins and forgot all about her. The stomach is always the first priority for them. We left her be, Matt came up and took a look, left, and when I came back from a walk she was acting perfectly normal. Not that we are finding anything perfectly normal with chickens. So the flock got to be outside on their own for a long time yesterday and it was warm enough that they puttered up and down the path and were ok. We are trying to put a timer on the lights now, so the heat light over the water goes off at about 8 PM and on at 3 AM. We are also thinking that it is almost time for Esmeralda to return to the flock. She is doing quite well and it seems the wound is healing over some. We are thinking we will put her back when the girls are out of the pen ranging, and she can just walk around with them as if she has always been there, only she will have a bunch of vicks vapo rub on her wound to prevent any pecking. Depending on weather, Monday afternoon might work. We will need to watch her re-entry and their reaction to her. I will be home until about 4:30 Monday, so will welcome company for them from anyone else after that as they make their way into the coop for the night. If we leave just the red light on as they are roosting, she should be ok, with the timer set so the other light over the water doesn't go on until 3 AM. Hope this makes sense to everyone.   Ernestine, that's it...nothing like a little computer work to stew up the brain.

Peggy for the Intensive Care Unit

Recycle Chicken

Hi all,

Was referred to a cool website by a friend yesterday - Recycle Chicken. Great resource for discovering where to recycle everything from cups to computers and more. Just type in what your would like to recycle and your zip code and you'll get a list of local facilities that accept the item. Check it out!

Matt

Chicken Coop News

Today was rather cold, and the issue of keeping the water from freezing came to the surface again. Esmeralda's water was frozen solid when Wendy & Matt arrived this morning, and in the coop there was slush around the edges of the water container when Keith arrived. Temperature was just on the edge last night in the coop, and it stayed ok until the chicken door was opened this morning and the cold air could rush in. By the time I got to it the thing was stuck and frozen and had to come inside to get thawed. So it seems that we need everyone to be vigilant when it is this cold. Having people drop by several times a day is what is keeping our girls (and Pete, who is still with us) happy. Thank you particularly to Matt & Wendy & Frank & Keith Jr, who are here every day to help, either with the girls or shoveling the walkway or pen. And thank you to Boots, who is going to her first doggie school tonight, but who is already very well-mannered and does a great job of snow plowing around the pen. To relieve boredom and prevent further attacks we are also giving them treats several times a day in the pen, like bread and lettuce and scratch. I let them out of the pen for about an hour this evening, for variety. They only go as far as the compost bins, where they stir up the ashes and other goodies.

A word of caution. The metal water can may seem to be unfrozen when in fact the water cannot get through to the outside because there is a rim of ice at the bottom. Take it inside the house, use the big sink in the kitchen and thaw it before opening and putting luke warm water in it. It doesn't hurt to sponge it off on both sides at the same time to avoid slime build up. Put random straw in the compost. I did buy new food and scratch today, getting us back to the better food from JK Feed. Hopefully this will improve the quality of their stools, which has been pretty poor lately, and give them whatever nutrients they may have missed with the other stuff. They just don't seem as fat and plush looking these days, now that bug season is over. They still gave us 20 eggs today. Nothing from Esmeralda. Everyone has recently taken eggs, so we are out for the moment. That will change tomorrow we assume.

Chicken Coop News

Well, Esmeralda (she needed a name if she was to receive this level of care) is doing well in her private room in the garage. Food and water all her own, no one pecking at her, a little space heater on to keep her toasty as the nights get colder again. She is quite lively. Her primary care physicians (Matt & Wendy) checked out the wound today and do not feel she is ready to return to the flock yet. I won't go into the details, but it is still not a pretty sight. I have been advised to locate some purple spray, which is an antibiotic used on dogs in Florida who have been stuck by wild pigs. This advice from Jeanne's Florida daughter. So we will try that, and I'll look for some on Thursday as I return from downstate.

I plan to purchase feed then also with our egg money. I think I will return to the old place for the feed, as theirs is courser and I have read that they like it better that way. I will get at least one bag from JK Feed, then stop at the place that orders organic and put in an order for that. We probably have enough to get one bag of organic and one of regular at this point. But we also need a new bag of scratch. So unless someone wants to add some cash, we may need to wait until the next round to get the organic in enough quantity to make it worthwhile starting. We have exactly $40 in our egg money. Regular feed is about $12 a bag at JK Feed, ($11 at Hilltop, but not course enough) scratch is $8 at both places, organic at Hilltop is $25 a bag. So if I get two regular at JK which totals $25 and one scratch, plus the purple stuff, I will be spending about $35 of our money. Some of us are not in a position to put extra cash into this right now, so maybe it makes sense to keep the girls on what we know for at least this next round and work toward funding the more expensive stuff when we can get a more affordable plan. It is possible for me to get it for $20 a bag downstate, but I would have to haul it here. Could help with ice in the winter.

Then there is the issue of Pete. Several of our members are ready to let him go. He scares small children, has been known to attack from behind, though not recently. Jeanne's swift kick set him straight after he body blocked her three times. But he is rather rough with the girls, and it may be that winter confinement makes it even harder on them. He may have drawn blood on the first hen, thus enticeing the others to go after her and finish her off. We don't know. So I am asking for input on this, and also asking if anyone wants to begin finding a new home for Pete. He is beautiful and behaves better than some roosters, however he does not help much with the overcrowding they experience through the long winter. Let me know

Frank fixed the broken heat lamp and we have strung it over the water container to prevent the freezing that occurs on really cold nights, so it is on tonight. If it is not too cold I am just leaving the red light on. However, I did buy a timer. It is sitting by the egg log in the house. The heat lamp can be plugged into it, and it should be set to go on at about 3 AM and off at 8 AM. This would give them less light before roosting, but still keep the water from freezing and keep them laying eggs. We are averaging 18 a day now. I hope someone else will figure out how to get into the package and set the timer. Thank you in advance.

We are out of town Wednesday and Thursday. Matt & Wendy are doing chicken care and Keith Sr. (Keith Jr helped with cleaning on Monday) is taking a turn at coop cleaning on Thursday. We are not planning to sell any eggs this week, at least until the weekend, so there will be enough for members needs. 

from Peggy, physicians assistant and food delivery provider

Re: Coop medical update

Wow, nice work everyone.  Let us know what is needed as far as structure for the temporary area, who knows what we have in our pole barn that might help!

The girls and I will talk to our friend with chickens --I recall one in particular that had a problem with the canibalism,  I will get in touch and report back. 

We will look in on the girls (and Pete) on Thursday.

Good night,

Amy

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM, <hildaheron@aol.com> wrote:

Our wounded hen is now in a luxury recovery pen in the garage, complete with nest box, yard, food and water, created by Matt and Wendy this afternoon. She is up and walking around, which gave us a chance to actually see the wound better. It is not a pretty sight. It looks like you can see right inside her, so recovery, if it occurs, could be longer than we hoped. Doesn't look like the Vicks would be a good idea for awhile. Frank brought over a red light bulb, 25 watt, and we put it in the coop and turned off the regular one. Most of them are roosting, with only four wandering around. Hopefully the red light will subdue their canabalistic tendencies. Temp in the coop after about an hour of this was 35, so they should be ok for tonight. The hen in the garage is blessed with a space heater which is on the counter. I'm sure we would be laughed right out of the room by seasoned chicken farmers for all our pampering, but we can't help ourselves. Daffy has been buried by Jeanne. No one seemed to weigh in on any other plan and no one wanted to eat her. She will at least return to the land as compost. May all sleep well tonight. Wendy and Matt will work on making some kind of way to get into the temporary pen tomorrow, as it may not be so temporary. For tonight it is working well. Total egg production today is 17, with a possible few still under the hens, but we didn't want any more drama with them tonight.

from the medical team

--
amy daniels moehle

Coop medical update

Our wounded hen is now in a luxury recovery pen in the garage, complete
with nest box, yard, food and water, created by Matt and Wendy this
afternoon. She is up and walking around, which gave us a chance to
actually see the wound better. It is not a pretty sight. It looks like
you can see right inside her, so recovery, if it occurs, could be
longer than we hoped. Doesn't look like the Vicks would be a good idea
for awhile. Frank brought over a red light bulb, 25 watt, and we put it
in the coop and turned off the regular one. Most of them are roosting,
with only four wandering around. Hopefully the red light will subdue
their canabalistic tendencies. Temp in the coop after about an hour of
this was 35, so they should be ok for tonight. The hen in the garage is
blessed with a space heater which is on the counter. I'm sure we would
be laughed right out of the room by seasoned chicken farmers for all
our pampering, but we can't help ourselves. Daffy has been buried by
Jeanne. No one seemed to weigh in on any other plan and no one wanted
to eat her. She will at least return to the land as compost. May all
sleep well tonight. Wendy and Matt will work on making some kind of way
to get into the temporary pen tomorrow, as it may not be so temporary.
For tonight it is working well. Total egg production today is 17, with
a possible few still under the hens, but we didn't want any more drama
with them tonight.

from the medical team

Chicken Coop medical report

Friends, Our injured chicken is doing just fine today, but it was a
dramatic morning. She is eating and drinking, with a dish of her own
which is getting filled lots. She also laid an egg in the box, which
Jeanne was able to retrieve. I had the brilliant idea of trying to make
her box a bit bigger, and while I had it partially open she flew out
into the living room. Jeanne was outside, so I screamed for help and
she came running. Then began a real mess. She was very lively and did
not want to be caught. Before it was over she had knocked the can of
her feed off the counter, landed by the kitchen sink and proceeded to
knock off a glass and a plate, shattering both. I finally got her
cornered by the microwave and we put her back, then cleaned up the
mess. She has now been banished to the garage, which is where she laid
the egg. She is still in the box that is too small. Wendy and Matt are
trying to find something to contain her that is bigger. We want to try
a red light to keep the others from seeing blood once we put her back
and Frank is bringing one home from work. We still need to let the
wound heal a bit before putting on the Vicks. One of the Wyandottes
seems to be a pecker, and will need to be watched. She may need
isolation rather than the victims. Jeanne and I are headed out to a
meeting, so any visits to the girls would be appreciated. Just take
care with our patient. She is in the box under the light. She is very
fast. We will return in time to put the flock away. Will need some help
doctoring and Wendy and Matt said they will be available.

From Nurse Peggy for the intensive care staff

Chicken Coop Emergency room news

Well, things are getting tense here. Seems our girls are getting into
cannibalism. When we came home tonight and I checked on them to see
what they were up to in the night time, I found another Araucana was
being picked on and had a big wound in its side near the tail. May
explain the demise of the first one. So I went into panic mode and got
Jeanne out there with me. After much difficulty and no cooperation from
any of the girls, we were able to finally catch the wounded one. This
was only after she made the mistake of getting into a nest box. Pete
was busy doing his rooster thing, which kind of got in the way also.
We put her in a box, got some straw into it, and she is now in the
energency room in the house, with water and food. She has been treated
with triple antibiotic cream and is resting in the living room. From my
reading it seems they do this for a variety of reasons, like boredom
(they haven't been out much these last few cold days), too much light
(we did up the wattage with the freezing weather), not enough protein
in their feed (don't think that is an issue here), the sight of blood
may get them started (the vent on the dead one did look like it had
been opened, and they may have started on this new one as a
substitute). We are told to remove the wounded chicken until the wound
heals. We have a temporary solution to that for tonight. Anyone have a
bigger box, a cage, or something we can put in the garage to keep her
happy? It isn't going to be so cold for a few days. If we can get the
wound healed a bit, we can put Vicks Vapo-rub on it and they will leave
her alone. This worked when the little chick got picked on last spring.
Trick we learned from Patty at the Emu ranch. Since the temperature in
the coop seems to be 40 now, I took out the heat light and the 100 watt
and left only a 75. We may have to reduce the lighting further if they
keep this up. The book says to add extra light to the morning hours
rather than at night, so they get up on the roosts before it gets dark.
I tried turning off the light altogether tonight, but they were still
wandering around, so when I went back to check, half of them were
bunched up on the floor. I turned the light back on, hoping they would
get on the roosts again. I don't know if the one in the house will
still be with us in the morning, but this is the best we can think of
to do right now. It is 1:00 AM. All advice and nursing help welcome. I
have to be in TC tomorrow by 12:30 and we both have a meeting in
Frankfort at 4:00.

Peggy & Jeanne, chicken ER nurses

Chicken Coop News

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:52 PM

Friends, It is with great sadness that I report to you today that we have lost one of our feathered friends. This morning I found one of the Araucanas, I believe it is the one I called Daffy, and the one Matt memorialized with his close up, dead and buried in the straw under the roosts. The cause of death is not known. She was already rather stiff, and it looked like the others had actually buried her in a way. I almost didn't see her. Hopefully they didn't also do her in. They were acting rather subdued, and kept checking in that corner after I removed her, so they might have also been sad in their little chicken ways. The temperature in the coop was 28 when I opened it, and the water was a bit frozen and not coming out well. Hard to know. The temperture alone would not have been too low, but maybe she didn't get enough water. She also may have just been a bit weak in body as well as intelligence. Anyway, I miss her already, and I don't know quite what to do with her either. She is currently in a feed bag in front of the tractor, if anyone else wants to check her out so we can figure out what happened. Her back end does look a little ragged, and chickens do sometimes damage each other. Some of the hens have been going after each other as they establish the pecking order. We have never discussed what to do in the case of mortality. We've had such a long run without it, maybe we forgot it would come up someday. So here it is. The girls still managed 20 eggs today. No olive one, and I suspect that is the one we lost. Please post on the blog and web site, and let me know your thoughts on where she should go next in the cycle of life. We will keep her frozen. I personally do not want to just throw her out for the coyotes. But I also am not ready to eat her either. I do think we need to return her in some way to the soil eventually. Let me know.

Peggy, with the unpleasant task of mortician now.

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